Ariel Pink ‘was at Capitol to show support for Trump’ as he and John Maus criticised for attending riot

[liam]

The only good thing out of this whole debacle is that Liam and Dan have appeared in a thread for the first time since 2002.

The two horsemen of the apocalypse

[liam]

The worst outcome is that he goes further down this route, becomes officially persona non-grata at labels and booking agencies, and has an existence that is entirely supported by new right and apathetic types. Let me look how that is going for Milo, Skullflower, and the rapper who did that 'Marilyn Manson' song. Ah, not well!

I do wonder if the shit he got from the MDE thing might have even pushed him in that direction, like how Graham Linehan's response to getting some mild criticism from trans activists was to double down on it and slowly become an insane one-note troll

Not saying we should therefore forgive people who come out with shitty opinions, just I wouldn't be surprised if that's a trap that a lot of straight white guys who consider themselves smart and progressive fall into when the internet tells them they're in the wrong. "Well obviously I can't be the bad person here, it must be you who are the fascists!"

[liam]

I was telling Tasha about the disappointing news and she said "Did he call himself Maus because he loves stories about Nazis?"

[Gibby]

The worst outcome is that he goes further down this route, becomes officially persona non-grata at labels and booking agencies, and has an existence that is entirely supported by new right and apathetic types. Let me look how that is going for Milo, Skullflower, and the rapper who did that 'Marilyn Manson' song. Ah, not well!

I do wonder if the shit he got from the MDE thing might have even pushed him in that direction, like how Graham Linehan's response to getting some mild criticism from trans activists was to double down on it and slowly become an insane one-note troll

Not saying we should therefore forgive people who come out with shitty opinions, just I wouldn't be surprised if that's a trap that a lot of straight white guys who consider themselves smart and progressive fall into when the internet tells them they're in the wrong. "Well obviously I can't be the bad person here, it must be you who are the fascists!"

I think it definitely put him off the idea of apologising, which I can see from a certain perspective (provided he did indeed get involved out of a genuine curiosity and meeting of aesthetics - and come on, it was being shown by Adult Swim, that is legit!) - he doesn't owe the readers of Pitchfork and Jezebel a molecule of shit. There's still a vast chasm between that situation and this. I spoke to him in Leeds in 2018, not for very long, and he seemed very much same old same old. Obviously hard to get a read. Someone on Reddit said they spoke to him a bunch and he was saying some fairly tradcath type things.

[liam]

I think it definitely put him off the idea of apologising, which I can see from a certain perspective (provided he did indeed get involved out of a genuine curiosity and meeting of aesthetics - and come on, it was being shown by Adult Swim, that is legit!) - he doesn't owe the readers of Pitchfork and Jezebel a molecule of shit.

Yeah there were a bunch of other musicians who also did the show weren't there, including Molly Nilsson. I didn't think for a minute at the time that it indicated he shared Hyde's politics, it only feels significant in retrospect but may well have nothing to do with it. He's never been a very public person or interacted a lot online, or seemed inclined to interact with social media, it didn't surprise me that he just kept his head down. Similarly I'm not shocked he's kept pretty quiet about this whole thing so far, whether that's because he feels misunderstood or is just hoping it'll blow over

[liam]

(then again if you look at his Liked tweets there's a couple recent ones by that Charls Carroll who was also part of MDE)

[Gibby]

(then again if you look at his Liked tweets there's a couple recent ones by that Charls Carroll who was also part of MDE)

I didn't see that or know who he was, but I saw him policing responses to John's popetweet. I'm guessing he's one of his boys now.

[oldtown]

I spoke to him in Leeds in 2018, not for very long, and he seemed very much same old same old. Obviously hard to get a read. Someone on Reddit said they spoke to him a bunch and he was saying some fairly tradcath type things.

When I spoke with John a year before that, in 2018, he was quick to condemn Sam Hyde but repeatedly explained that he genuinely did not know that Hyde was a far-right nutjob at all. He said he liked Charls, saying he was able to have good, in-depth conversations with him and that he slept on his couch when they were filming. But believe me when I say that John seemed genuinely mortified and almost heartbroken over learning about Hyde's antics. It was honestly a bit concerning at the time, he was very disturbed and kept mentioning that people will think he's a nazi.

I last spoke with John in 2019, he went on and on about Foucault's conception of the panopticon, and how capitalism results in people treating themselves as giant walking advertisements of sorts, so I had assumed he was the same-old then as well. Ariel recently tweeted about the same thing, the panopticon, albeit misspelled and in the context of 'cancel culture.' It's very possible that Ariel and John are using left-academic ideas and language to try to paint Trump as the better option. Not defending this, it's just sadly becoming very common for leftists to turn into what are basically pro-establishment conservatives because nothing short of total abolition of capitalism is seen as good enough. I knew a lot of leftists who refused to support the BLM protests because "nothing will change, corporations support them, why side with corporations?" etc.

It's still quite stupid, but that sort of outcome for John would be far less confusing and disappointing than simply being a flat-out Trumper through and through. I noticed on the Demonstration Bootleg site he listed "Israel" as one of the forces of good that they stand for, which is baffling to me considering he had refused to perform there in 2018 as a form of protest against Israel's treatment of Palestinians. I don't get it.

[Gibby]

It's still quite stupid, but that sort of outcome for John would be far less confusing and disappointing than simply being a flat-out Trumper through and through. I noticed on the Demonstration Bootleg site he listed "Israel" as one of the forces of good that they stand for, which is baffling to me considering he had refused to perform there in 2018 as a form of protest against Israel's treatment of Palestinians. I don't get it.

I presumed half of that list was Ariel saying he wanted certain things in, and he is very anti-BDS.

Also lol at point 7 on "what we're against" containing loads of stuff they are tacitly in favour of. How quickly purity dies.

Oh yeah and Ariel spelling it 'panoptigan', like the weird keyboard rather than the surveillance concept.

[Gibby]

LOLCRY: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XUgM_XLXlY

[Kidkuala24]

With all the allegations of Ariel mistreating women and sleeping with underage girls; it throws me off how his male fans that are sticking up for his rights of trump support, throws this one off like it’s ok. And there’s a handful of accusations of him doing this that I find it hard not to believe. If his musician friends knew all along. I’ve lost so much respect for them. That shot is just disturbing.

[sophieshaw]

I spoke to him in Leeds in 2018, not for very long, and he seemed very much same old same old. Obviously hard to get a read. Someone on Reddit said they spoke to him a bunch and he was saying some fairly tradcath type things.

When I spoke with John a year before that, in 2018, he was quick to condemn Sam Hyde but repeatedly explained that he genuinely did not know that Hyde was a far-right nutjob at all. He said he liked Charls, saying he was able to have good, in-depth conversations with him and that he slept on his couch when they were filming. But believe me when I say that John seemed genuinely mortified and almost heartbroken over learning about Hyde's antics. It was honestly a bit concerning at the time, he was very disturbed and kept mentioning that people will think he's a nazi.

I last spoke with John in 2019, he went on and on about Foucault's conception of the panopticon, and how capitalism results in people treating themselves as giant walking advertisements of sorts, so I had assumed he was the same-old then as well. Ariel recently tweeted about the same thing, the panopticon, albeit misspelled and in the context of 'cancel culture.' It's very possible that Ariel and John are using left-academic ideas and language to try to paint Trump as the better option. Not defending this, it's just sadly becoming very common for leftists to turn into what are basically pro-establishment conservatives because nothing short of total abolition of capitalism is seen as good enough. I knew a lot of leftists who refused to support the BLM protests because "nothing will change, corporations support them, why side with corporations?" etc.

It's still quite stupid, but that sort of outcome for John would be far less confusing and disappointing than simply being a flat-out Trumper through and through. I noticed on the Demonstration Bootleg site he listed "Israel" as one of the forces of good that they stand for, which is baffling to me considering he had refused to perform there in 2018 as a form of protest against Israel's treatment of Palestinians. I don't get it.

Very similar to my experience meeting John 2019. He said he is not in contact with Sam anymore. Hopefully that means he has an inkling....

Currently trying to contact a radio station so they will publish or broadcast a planned interview with John. Question suggestions? Emailing his press agent this week.

[AppTrans]

http://waxidermy.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=62268 ap and jm thread on waxidermy

[AppTrans]

I spoke to him in Leeds in 2018, not for very long, and he seemed very much same old same old. Obviously hard to get a read. Someone on Reddit said they spoke to him a bunch and he was saying some fairly tradcath type things.

When I spoke with John a year before that, in 2018, he was quick to condemn Sam Hyde but repeatedly explained that he genuinely did not know that Hyde was a far-right nutjob at all. He said he liked Charls, saying he was able to have good, in-depth conversations with him and that he slept on his couch when they were filming. But believe me when I say that John seemed genuinely mortified and almost heartbroken over learning about Hyde's antics. It was honestly a bit concerning at the time, he was very disturbed and kept mentioning that people will think he's a nazi.

I last spoke with John in 2019, he went on and on about Foucault's conception of the panopticon, and how capitalism results in people treating themselves as giant walking advertisements of sorts, so I had assumed he was the same-old then as well. Ariel recently tweeted about the same thing, the panopticon, albeit misspelled and in the context of 'cancel culture.' It's very possible that Ariel and John are using left-academic ideas and language to try to paint Trump as the better option. Not defending this, it's just sadly becoming very common for leftists to turn into what are basically pro-establishment conservatives because nothing short of total abolition of capitalism is seen as good enough. I knew a lot of leftists who refused to support the BLM protests because "nothing will change, corporations support them, why side with corporations?" etc.

It's still quite stupid, but that sort of outcome for John would be far less confusing and disappointing than simply being a flat-out Trumper through and through. I noticed on the Demonstration Bootleg site he listed "Israel" as one of the forces of good that they stand for, which is baffling to me considering he had refused to perform there in 2018 as a form of protest against Israel's treatment of Palestinians. I don't get it.

Very similar to my experience meeting John 2019. He said he is not in contact with Sam anymore. Hopefully that means he has an inkling....

Currently trying to contact a radio station so they will publish or broadcast a planned interview with John. Question suggestions? Emailing his press agent this week.

question: how does it feel to be the Kevin Sorbo of hypnagogic pop?

[sophieshaw]

Press agent said he’s not doing interviews at this time maybe in the future we can have some answers