Ariel Pink ‘was at Capitol to show support for Trump’ as he and John Maus criticised for attending riot

[Kidkuala24]

It would of been nice if the person that John was replying to was a bit more mature about it. Like you have a chance to have a decent conversation about it and you are acting like a brat. I don’t agree with John, by any means. There’s just a lot of us that wrote to John hoping to have a decent conversation, and these dudes get that chance. Lol.

[Kidkuala24]

that is pretty much the message he sent to me, except I responded meekly.

I hate Biden too but I have no idea how that transposes on voting for and donating to Trump. The collective impact of Trump on global mental health has been incalculable, let alone the material aspect the person in that message talks about.

Did he further the conversation with you, as you were calmer? Or did he post the Virgin Mary as a sign off?

Just my own opinion. Catholicism has turned a weird direction in the states. I was raised catholic but my dad stayed liberal, as we knew many other families like that. Now, it’s like hardcore right and they are serious Trumpsters. The way they talk too! It’s like they lost any reality and living in constant fear.

[Gibby]

nah he didn't say anything after I signed off. I was hoping the gentle approach might lure him into conversation, but no dice. Probably just sees it as a fire successfully put out.

What I am getting from Maus at the moment is very similar to John Milbank, an academic theologian who considers himself part of the 'radical orthodoxy' movement. His work represents an attempt to resurrect theism as a movement for working people against the evil of secular liberal capitalist atheism (which I think Biden could arguably characterise). We can't really claim that a sense of religiousness is not there in John, because it's quite clearly all over his records.

It can appear conservative in character because it looks to tradition and pre-capitalistic values (generally governed by church doctrine rather than human laws). It is often very anti-porn (didn't someone say upthread that John has been saying anti-porn things quite strongly) and pro-family unit. Milbank has been advisor for a guy called Philip Blond, who considers himself a Red Tory - small government, low-spending, but communitarian and not explicitly pro-capitalist.

Then again, where this falls down is that Trump is a villain of the highest order. I'm less concerned that he's a dolt who ruins language and uglifies public discourse, but his moral inconsistency, his own blundering incompetency and his adjacency to ethno-nationalist opportunists. I can see how a working person outside of cosmopolitan America turns to Trump* - constantly ignored by the establishment, mocked in the media, and made to feel worthless - after Sanders gets cheated again. I just can't see how John does. At all.

* the people at the riot were not working Americans, but a coterie of hate LARPers, rich people with a gripe, broken brain online people, and assorted time-rich idiots.

[oldtown]

His messages are basically what I suspected, voting for Trump out of a specific disdain for Biden and recognizing that Biden is more of a war hawk. I don't disagree with him on those points. But, geez, the donations--really man.. Everyone I know who shares this view point simply refuses to vote, and simply kicks back to watch the show.

[Viewbob]

Oh my.

[Gibby]

[Viewbob]

By the way, to anyone looking to get rid of their sinful Ariel Pink merchandise. I will be running an APHG Record/CD/Tape/Shirt/Poster disposal service with prices low-free. Anyone looking to get rid of a Thrash n Burn cassette please get in touch, as I think my services are right for you.

[pinkspoons]

[PaulPettinger]

What I am getting from Maus at the moment is very similar to John Milbank, an academic theologian who considers himself part of the 'radical orthodoxy' movement. His work represents an attempt to resurrect theism as a movement for working people against the evil of secular liberal capitalist atheism (which I think Biden could arguably characterise). We can't really claim that a sense of religiousness is not there in John, because it's quite clearly all over his records.

If that is the case, I find it pretty terrifying and non-sensical. America’s secular economic individualism owes much to its protestant history and little to the non-religious. In about 15 years or so, John would have gone from irreverently singing about “sex with god”, to religious sectarianism.

His messages are basically what I suspected, voting for Trump out of a specific disdain for Biden and recognizing that Biden is more of a war hawk. I don't disagree with him on those points. But, geez, the donations--really man.. Everyone I know who shares this view point simply refuses to vote, and simply kicks back to watch the show.

Citing Biden’s war record is lame given the importance of state violence to Trump – see his recent spate of federal executions, threats to obliterate North Korea, or provocative deployment of the National Guard to inflame racial tensions. Bernie would have drawn support from Trump that Biden could not, but it makes no sense for a hard left politics PhD to support Trump. Final confirmation of John having done this is a bonfire of his credibility as a non-conformist and left wing intellectual.

We can still enjoy his music, but by buying it we appear to run the risk of him then funding politics that may bring us unhappiness or misery. He has created an underlying sense of uneasiness and as something being wrong through much of his music, and appears to have extended this aesthetic to a pro-active and ghastly level :-(

[AppTrans]

[AppTrans]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prsZ8DL ... e=youtu.be if you're in the mood to kill your brain cells, ariel pint-sized has the goods

[possiblegrenade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prsZ8DL ... e=youtu.be if you're in the mood to kill your brain cells, ariel pint-sized has the goods

Yeah I watched that yesterday...lots of cringeworthy takes

[Gibby]

the bit where he was like "the homeless are okay, they're not dying, they're feeding themselves", that was probably the moment where the last iota of sympathy I had vapourised.

[wowiezowie]

It's a shame the whole AP section has been nuked. I understand feelings are running high at the moment but there was a lot of interesting and informative posts going back years. I saw the post regarding an influx of new (MAGA) members being a reason for it's deletion but is there not an option to stop new registrations for a month or so? Putting aside politics the AP section was an invaluable resource for fans going back years. Please don't think I'm condoning any of Ariel's recent behavior but I still remain a fan of his music and hopefully we're capable of having adult conversations about difficult subjects without resorting to insults and/or arguments.

[mrnashville]

After watching this interview, I am convinced that Ariel is in some sort of manic or psychotic episode. I’ve always thought that he was trolling with the conservative BS talk but it’s clear that he really believes in what he is saying and is really deep into it. Sort of reminds me of when Scott Stapp had his mental breakdown a few years back. He’s just straight up delusional! Hopefully he will be able to get off drugs and get his shit together sometime soon.